1 00:01:03,810 --> 00:00:32,499 [Music] 2 00:01:06,270 --> 00:01:03,820 and hello from Philadelphia Frank here 3 00:01:08,850 --> 00:01:06,280 with yet another episode of UFO news 4 00:01:12,510 --> 00:01:08,860 network Sunday today coming to you on a 5 00:01:14,789 --> 00:01:12,520 Wednesday covering recent news that has 6 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:14,799 popped up since the last time we did a 7 00:01:20,399 --> 00:01:17,710 show here and it was a real interesting 8 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:20,409 period lots of good stuff and has come 9 00:01:25,499 --> 00:01:22,690 out that will be of interest to you all 10 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:25,509 and the top story of course is the 11 00:01:32,399 --> 00:01:28,570 Senate Intelligence Committee a once a 12 00:01:33,570 --> 00:01:32,409 UFO report from the Pentagon so let's 13 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:33,580 get right to it 14 00:01:40,290 --> 00:01:36,330 this story got a lot of mainstream 15 00:01:43,469 --> 00:01:40,300 coverage I know it got out well beyond 16 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:43,479 the usual UFO people because I was asked 17 00:01:50,010 --> 00:01:46,690 about it at the office so that was of 18 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:50,020 course a very interesting and this story 19 00:01:55,169 --> 00:01:52,690 from a Brian bender senators want the 20 00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:55,179 public to see government's UFO reports I 21 00:02:00,510 --> 00:01:58,240 quote from it from Christopher Mellon of 22 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:00,520 course from the to the stars Academy it 23 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:03,220 further legitimizes the issue said 24 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:04,720 Christopher Mellon a former top 25 00:02:09,180 --> 00:02:07,060 intelligence official and Senate staffer 26 00:02:11,369 --> 00:02:09,190 who was pressed for more research on the 27 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:11,379 topic that in itself is extremely 28 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:13,120 important people can talk about it 29 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:15,190 without fear of embarrassment he said 30 00:02:19,979 --> 00:02:17,290 the potential implications cannot be 31 00:02:22,290 --> 00:02:19,989 overstated assuming the report is 32 00:02:24,089 --> 00:02:22,300 properly prepared and delivered there is 33 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:24,099 no telling what the impacts could be 34 00:02:28,979 --> 00:02:26,290 Mellon said that could range from 35 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:28,989 revealing an unknown threat or military 36 00:02:34,259 --> 00:02:31,690 vulnerability to there have been probes 37 00:02:34,650 --> 00:02:34,269 visiting our planet or anything in 38 00:02:37,229 --> 00:02:34,660 between 39 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:37,239 so that is very nice to see actually 40 00:02:41,699 --> 00:02:39,760 that last part worried begins to raise 41 00:02:45,570 --> 00:02:41,709 the possibility that yes some of these 42 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:45,580 UFOs are in fact extraterrestrial so we 43 00:02:51,509 --> 00:02:47,920 do like that of course obviously I've 44 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:51,519 been that critical of the threat talk 45 00:02:56,309 --> 00:02:54,670 the threat implications that is always a 46 00:02:59,100 --> 00:02:56,319 problem with me I don't see anything 47 00:03:02,720 --> 00:02:59,110 threatening and the otherworldly UFOs 48 00:03:05,699 --> 00:03:02,730 and that has been part of the tts a 49 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:05,709 message getting out there who knows it 50 00:03:09,569 --> 00:03:07,329 may have been just a necessary evil 51 00:03:10,780 --> 00:03:09,579 something that they had to do to get the 52 00:03:13,929 --> 00:03:10,790 right people's attention 53 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:13,939 but be that as it may that is an 54 00:03:18,729 --> 00:03:16,310 exciting quote from melon and an 55 00:03:21,850 --> 00:03:18,739 exciting development in the Senate of 56 00:03:24,550 --> 00:03:21,860 course when this news came out the 57 00:03:26,229 --> 00:03:24,560 chairman of the committee Marco Rubio is 58 00:03:28,630 --> 00:03:26,239 the individual seem to get the most 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:28,640 attention very high-profile senator 60 00:03:32,890 --> 00:03:30,890 obviously ran for president last time 61 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:32,900 around but they're really the driving 62 00:03:38,110 --> 00:03:35,930 force behind this is a Senator Mark 63 00:03:41,860 --> 00:03:38,120 Warner and I'll get into that a little 64 00:03:45,099 --> 00:03:41,870 bit let's get some feedback and some 65 00:03:48,430 --> 00:03:45,109 opinions that came out from others Billy 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:48,440 Cox over at devoid usually a kind of a 67 00:03:53,770 --> 00:03:49,370 curmudgeonly 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:53,780 old school a reporter type guy a little 69 00:03:57,970 --> 00:03:56,090 bit on the crusty side here he sounds 70 00:04:00,369 --> 00:03:57,980 almost like a cheerleader like he's 71 00:04:02,589 --> 00:04:00,379 literally giddy with excitement it is 72 00:04:04,509 --> 00:04:02,599 impossible to overstate the magnitude of 73 00:04:07,210 --> 00:04:04,519 this heretofore unthinkable directive 74 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:07,220 issued by the Senate last week it sounds 75 00:04:12,220 --> 00:04:10,190 almost what to normal to pro forma as if 76 00:04:14,110 --> 00:04:12,230 the most radical fishing expedition of 77 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:14,120 our lifetime is simply a matter of good 78 00:04:16,569 --> 00:04:16,400 bureaucratic housekeeping yet here we 79 00:04:18,150 --> 00:04:16,579 are 80 00:04:20,969 --> 00:04:18,160 in a place no one could have predicted 81 00:04:23,409 --> 00:04:20,979 even a year ago and that is about right 82 00:04:26,290 --> 00:04:23,419 however what did happen not more than a 83 00:04:28,570 --> 00:04:26,300 year ago is the ranking member on the 84 00:04:31,210 --> 00:04:28,580 minority side that Democrat Mark Warner 85 00:04:33,909 --> 00:04:31,220 from Virginia has been pushing this us 86 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:33,919 UFO issue he has been not contacting the 87 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:35,870 Navy in the past asking for more 88 00:04:42,610 --> 00:04:39,110 information and finally this week what 89 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:42,620 he day he's a no question in my mind 90 00:04:49,750 --> 00:04:46,370 that he is the driving force behind this 91 00:04:53,020 --> 00:04:49,760 particular piece here we see in the bill 92 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:53,030 itself as some details you hopefully you 93 00:04:56,050 --> 00:04:54,409 can read it if you're not I'm not going 94 00:04:58,180 --> 00:04:56,060 to read the whole thing but I'll buzz 95 00:05:01,020 --> 00:04:58,190 through some key points committee 96 00:05:04,029 --> 00:05:01,030 further directs the report to include a 97 00:05:06,580 --> 00:05:04,039 hang on a sec we were actually jumped 98 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:06,590 ahead here advanced aerial threats the 99 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:08,150 committee supports the efforts of the 100 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:10,610 unidentified aerial phenomenon task 101 00:05:14,950 --> 00:05:12,710 force at the Office of Navy Naval 102 00:05:17,290 --> 00:05:14,960 Intelligence to standardize collection 103 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:17,300 and reporting on unidentified aerial 104 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:20,240 phenomenon any links they have to 105 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:22,310 adversarial foreign governments and the 106 00:05:26,619 --> 00:05:24,050 threat they pose to you of 107 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:26,629 US military assets committee remains 108 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:28,280 concern there is no unified 109 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:30,409 comprehensive process within the 110 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:32,930 government for collecting and analyzing 111 00:05:38,170 --> 00:05:36,050 intelligence on you ApS despite the 112 00:05:40,210 --> 00:05:38,180 potential threat committee understands 113 00:05:42,460 --> 00:05:40,220 relevant intelligence may be sensitive 114 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:42,470 nevertheless committee finds that the 115 00:05:46,450 --> 00:05:44,810 information sharing and coordination 116 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:46,460 across the intelligence community has 117 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:49,220 been inconsistent lacked attention from 118 00:05:53,740 --> 00:05:51,440 senior leaders therefore committee 119 00:05:56,140 --> 00:05:53,750 directs the DNI director of Naval 120 00:05:58,270 --> 00:05:56,150 Intelligence in consultation with the 121 00:06:00,490 --> 00:05:58,280 Secretary of Defense and the heads of 122 00:06:03,219 --> 00:06:00,500 such other agencies as the director and 123 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:03,229 secretary jointly consider relevant to 124 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:06,680 submit a report within 180 days of the 125 00:06:10,689 --> 00:06:09,080 date of enactment of the Act to the 126 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:10,699 congressional intelligence and Armed 127 00:06:15,909 --> 00:06:13,969 Services committees on you ApS including 128 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:15,919 observed airborne objects that have not 129 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:16,810 been identified 130 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:19,580 of course the devil's always in the 131 00:06:23,409 --> 00:06:21,409 details here's a little bit more detail 132 00:06:25,779 --> 00:06:23,419 about what they're asking for detailed 133 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:25,789 analysis of UAP data and intelligence 134 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:27,710 reporting collected or held by the 135 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:29,330 Office of Naval Intelligence 136 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:30,770 this seems specifically geared towards 137 00:06:36,430 --> 00:06:33,770 the Navy here and no no mention 138 00:06:38,649 --> 00:06:36,440 specifically of the Air Force we'll get 139 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:38,659 to some Air Force news up next but 140 00:06:43,779 --> 00:06:40,130 including data and intelligence 141 00:06:46,899 --> 00:06:43,789 reporting held by UA UAP Task Force 142 00:06:48,820 --> 00:06:46,909 detailed analysis of unidentified 143 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:48,830 phenomenon data collected by a 144 00:06:53,469 --> 00:06:51,110 geospatial signals intelligence human 145 00:06:56,260 --> 00:06:53,479 intelligence measurement and signals 146 00:06:59,559 --> 00:06:56,270 intelligence detailed analysis of data 147 00:07:01,089 --> 00:06:59,569 from the FBI regarding a restricted 148 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:01,099 airspace detailed description of 149 00:07:06,820 --> 00:07:04,250 interagency process for ensuring timely 150 00:07:09,749 --> 00:07:06,830 data timely data collection and 151 00:07:11,379 --> 00:07:09,759 centralized analysis identified 152 00:07:14,110 --> 00:07:11,389 identification of an official 153 00:07:16,420 --> 00:07:14,120 accountable for the process described in 154 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:16,430 paragraph four so we're going to see it 155 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:18,770 looks like some of the inner workings of 156 00:07:22,719 --> 00:07:20,870 this UAP task force and now who's 157 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:22,729 running it who's in charge over there so 158 00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:26,020 that will be of some interest of course 159 00:07:31,420 --> 00:07:28,940 identify identification of potential 160 00:07:33,730 --> 00:07:31,430 aerospace and other threats posed by the 161 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:33,740 UAP phenomenon identification of 162 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:36,050 incidents or patterns that indicate a 163 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:37,550 potential adversary 164 00:07:41,860 --> 00:07:39,350 well identification of incidents or 165 00:07:44,380 --> 00:07:41,870 patterns that is obviously getting 166 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:44,390 towards a real key question regarding 167 00:07:49,630 --> 00:07:46,910 UFOs and that is frequency how often do 168 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:49,640 these truly otherworldly events happen 169 00:07:55,090 --> 00:07:52,370 that and are there any patterns involved 170 00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:55,100 are there enough of them to discern a 171 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:56,840 pattern at all so we don't know about 172 00:08:00,430 --> 00:07:58,850 that but that is key information we 173 00:08:02,740 --> 00:08:00,440 definitely want to get our hands on and 174 00:08:04,590 --> 00:08:02,750 then number eight our recommendations 175 00:08:06,730 --> 00:08:04,600 regarding increased collection of data 176 00:08:09,430 --> 00:08:06,740 enhanced research and development 177 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:09,440 additional funding other resources the 178 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:12,220 report this is key shall be submitted in 179 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:14,930 unclassified form so at least that we 180 00:08:18,940 --> 00:08:16,010 should be getting something that's 181 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:18,950 unclassified but may include a 182 00:08:23,290 --> 00:08:20,930 classified annex so we may not get 183 00:08:26,350 --> 00:08:23,300 everything but hopefully we get some 184 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:26,360 stuff here now this is not over until 185 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:28,490 it's over of course anything involving 186 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:31,610 government it never is this is this is a 187 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:33,290 bill it hasn't been passed that still 188 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:35,210 has to get through the full Senate still 189 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:37,490 has to get through the house and that 190 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:39,110 will take some time and then we've got 191 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:41,870 another 180 days after it passes 192 00:08:46,690 --> 00:08:44,420 hopefully it may not but after it passes 193 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:46,700 another 180 days beyond that so you're 194 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:48,290 not going to be looking at seeing 195 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:50,390 anything until maybe at the earliest 196 00:08:56,350 --> 00:08:53,330 late in the first quarter that would be 197 00:08:58,290 --> 00:08:56,360 my suggestion and there are still some 198 00:09:01,960 --> 00:08:58,300 problems and some hurdles to overcome 199 00:09:05,020 --> 00:09:01,970 and I will get to that let's let's go 200 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:05,030 back to the Brian bender article Brian 201 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:07,310 did a lengthy interview with Alejandro 202 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:09,890 Rojas last week where they talked about 203 00:09:14,140 --> 00:09:12,230 a number of things are related to the 204 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:14,150 bill itself and how the issue is going 205 00:09:18,460 --> 00:09:15,890 but they also talked a lot and I thought 206 00:09:20,350 --> 00:09:18,470 this was very interesting about Winn I 207 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:20,360 mean what's in it for the individuals 208 00:09:27,430 --> 00:09:23,120 who are involved what is in it for them 209 00:09:30,010 --> 00:09:27,440 obviously we know that there is a mr. 210 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:30,020 inside that the senator himself and that 211 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:32,690 is a Mark Warner and we know that there 212 00:09:37,630 --> 00:09:34,850 is a mr. outside and that is Christopher 213 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:37,640 Mellon who was a Senate Intelligence 214 00:09:41,530 --> 00:09:39,290 Committee staffer at one point in his 215 00:09:43,510 --> 00:09:41,540 career and now is over at the to the 216 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:43,520 stars Academy so you've got your mr. 217 00:09:47,860 --> 00:09:45,890 inside near mr. outside but that doesn't 218 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:47,870 mean that this is a done deal of course 219 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:49,700 so lots of things can happen as I 220 00:09:53,079 --> 00:09:51,200 mentioned before 221 00:09:55,629 --> 00:09:53,089 that's this has not gotten through the 222 00:09:57,639 --> 00:09:55,639 full Senate and the house now what might 223 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:57,649 happen that to create some problems 224 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:00,800 well when bender and ro Haase talked 225 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:02,750 about this they talked about wind i mean 226 00:10:06,730 --> 00:10:04,130 what's in it for these various 227 00:10:09,069 --> 00:10:06,740 individuals obviously we know that the 228 00:10:11,470 --> 00:10:09,079 Warner is motivated and that Mellon is 229 00:10:13,389 --> 00:10:11,480 motivated to get this kind of 230 00:10:16,569 --> 00:10:13,399 information now but there might be some 231 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:16,579 some people who are motivated to not get 232 00:10:20,889 --> 00:10:19,370 this out now is it possible that a 233 00:10:23,439 --> 00:10:20,899 member of the house or a member of the 234 00:10:25,810 --> 00:10:23,449 Senate just on their own doesn't want it 235 00:10:29,259 --> 00:10:25,820 that's always possible now politically I 236 00:10:30,939 --> 00:10:29,269 think the UFO subject has gotten to the 237 00:10:33,699 --> 00:10:30,949 point now where it's not really a 238 00:10:35,019 --> 00:10:33,709 negative people have basically accepted 239 00:10:36,430 --> 00:10:35,029 the fact that that yeah this is 240 00:10:38,590 --> 00:10:36,440 something we should be looking at and 241 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:38,600 let's get more information out let's 242 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:40,550 have some more transparency on this so I 243 00:10:44,439 --> 00:10:42,410 don't think it's a negative but it's not 244 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:44,449 necessarily a positive either I don't 245 00:10:50,620 --> 00:10:46,610 know there's no a great groundswell of 246 00:10:53,769 --> 00:10:50,630 people looking to have their vote hinge 247 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:53,779 on whether someone is Pro disclosure or 248 00:10:57,519 --> 00:10:55,760 against it so it's it kind of in the 249 00:10:59,350 --> 00:10:57,529 middle I think that the general public 250 00:11:01,540 --> 00:10:59,360 is kind of neutral on this it's not 251 00:11:03,009 --> 00:11:01,550 gonna be looking that people especially 252 00:11:05,439 --> 00:11:03,019 in Virginia are not gonna be looking 253 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:05,449 that closely at well mark Warner is 254 00:11:09,329 --> 00:11:07,610 behind disclosure let's all vote for him 255 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:09,339 and he's going to win it in a landslide 256 00:11:13,689 --> 00:11:11,750 that's an important point to that I want 257 00:11:15,250 --> 00:11:13,699 to get to mark Warner is up for 258 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:15,260 re-election this fall it's not a 259 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:17,390 guarantee he's going to be the senator 260 00:11:23,590 --> 00:11:21,290 from Virginia come January so is it 261 00:11:25,449 --> 00:11:23,600 possible that if he happens to lose and 262 00:11:27,850 --> 00:11:25,459 he won his last reelection in a very 263 00:11:30,009 --> 00:11:27,860 close race don't know how things are 264 00:11:31,810 --> 00:11:30,019 looking for him for this race but it's 265 00:11:33,850 --> 00:11:31,820 always possible that he doesn't win 266 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:33,860 reelection does that mean that this 267 00:11:39,430 --> 00:11:36,110 entire effort doesn't fall apart at that 268 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:39,440 at some point that may be a stall game 269 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:42,170 takes place within the Pentagon 180 days 270 00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:44,089 that's not enough time give us more time 271 00:11:48,009 --> 00:11:46,160 let's put more the information that we 272 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:48,019 give you more of it should be in the 273 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:50,360 classified annex rather than in the 274 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:53,180 publicly released information a lot of 275 00:11:57,220 --> 00:11:55,010 different things can happen is it also 276 00:11:59,199 --> 00:11:57,230 possible that that maybe someone in the 277 00:12:00,970 --> 00:11:59,209 Senate or the House just on their own 278 00:12:04,090 --> 00:12:00,980 doesn't like this for whatever reason 279 00:12:04,460 --> 00:12:04,100 and wants to get rid of it or someone in 280 00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:04,470 the pen 281 00:12:08,180 --> 00:12:06,480 GaN dislikes it to the point that they 282 00:12:09,470 --> 00:12:08,190 go to a friend of theirs it doesn't 283 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:09,480 really care that much one way or another 284 00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:11,640 but they go to a friend of theirs in the 285 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:13,800 house or the set and say get this thing 286 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:15,120 out of here we don't want to deal with 287 00:12:20,330 --> 00:12:17,400 this all those things they're possible 288 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:20,340 and again things are never over until 289 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:24,030 they're over so let's add a lot of 290 00:12:26,990 --> 00:12:25,680 different opinions as I've said have 291 00:12:29,450 --> 00:12:27,000 been written about this and that was 292 00:12:32,390 --> 00:12:29,460 reported very very widely but I found 293 00:12:35,660 --> 00:12:32,400 the work of someone named Adam Kehoe 294 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:35,670 over at medium and he looks very closely 295 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:38,310 at the work of Mellon and does some very 296 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:41,850 good analysis on what he thinks that 297 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:43,470 Mellon is up to and how he's approaching 298 00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:45,690 all this in a quote from his most recent 299 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:48,060 article after all this came out given 300 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:49,770 the above experience I would Mellon 301 00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:51,510 approach the problem of influencing 302 00:12:56,660 --> 00:12:53,520 government on the perennial charge and 303 00:12:58,820 --> 00:12:56,670 toxic topic of you ApS to start it makes 304 00:13:01,760 --> 00:12:58,830 sense that he would turn to SSCI the 305 00:13:04,010 --> 00:13:01,770 Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 306 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:04,020 it is extremely well positioned to 307 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:05,880 investigate the type of reform he is 308 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:08,160 interested in he also has the advantage 309 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:10,530 of understanding it very well secondly 310 00:13:14,570 --> 00:13:12,330 he would already know that the game 311 00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:14,580 would most likely not Center on 312 00:13:19,730 --> 00:13:17,430 distracted s distracted Senators but 313 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:19,740 rather on key staff to that end he knows 314 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:21,570 that staff were also busy and our 315 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:23,610 challenge to spend time on issues that 316 00:13:27,470 --> 00:13:25,250 are not in the political spotlight 317 00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:27,480 therefore it would be important to cede 318 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:29,820 discussions with sample language to 319 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:32,490 jumpstart the policy process this is of 320 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:34,320 course precisely what he did in May of 321 00:13:38,660 --> 00:13:36,570 2019 he appears to have taken a 322 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:38,670 two-pronged strategy writing both 323 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:40,830 technical draft language for the Senate 324 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:42,990 and an opinion piece intended for a 325 00:13:47,270 --> 00:13:45,450 general audience I strongly recommend it 326 00:13:50,270 --> 00:13:47,280 that people start following Adam Kehoe 327 00:13:52,670 --> 00:13:50,280 over on medium news the kind of guy who 328 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:52,680 seems to be writing the sort of material 329 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:56,010 on this subject that is nuanced and 330 00:14:01,940 --> 00:13:58,890 thinks a little bit deeper on these 331 00:14:04,370 --> 00:14:01,950 subjects and he's somebody well worth 332 00:14:06,770 --> 00:14:04,380 keeping in your little portfolio of 333 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:06,780 people to follow on this issue so that 334 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:08,940 was a really interesting letter big news 335 00:14:12,890 --> 00:14:10,680 I gotta say I love it 336 00:14:15,260 --> 00:14:12,900 again it's not over till it's over but 337 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:15,270 this is where we're at now and if this 338 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:17,370 does get 339 00:14:21,950 --> 00:14:20,100 torpedoed at some point in time I think 340 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:21,960 that will make the news - and at least 341 00:14:28,010 --> 00:14:25,830 we will know about it and Republican or 342 00:14:30,860 --> 00:14:28,020 Democrat whichever you are I think maybe 343 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:30,870 you want to be rooting or rooting for or 344 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:33,990 voting for Mark Warner in Virginia he 345 00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:36,330 see he is mr. inside on this at this 346 00:14:42,110 --> 00:14:38,070 point I think there's no question about 347 00:14:44,510 --> 00:14:42,120 that circling back to the Rojas and the 348 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:44,520 bender interview bender did mention the 349 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:47,100 name of a particular staffer that is 350 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:48,950 very much involved in this on that 351 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:50,970 apparently on the Intelligence Committee 352 00:14:56,060 --> 00:14:52,950 I have to admit it wasn't taking notes 353 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:56,070 so I forgot the name but that that is an 354 00:15:00,890 --> 00:14:58,410 important part of the process as Kehoe 355 00:15:03,410 --> 00:15:00,900 in fact pointed out so good analysis 356 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:03,420 from Kehoe good work from Alejandro 357 00:15:08,390 --> 00:15:05,610 Rojas in terms of getting Brian bender 358 00:15:10,580 --> 00:15:08,400 on the air good a good show there from 359 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:10,590 Billy Cox a good show all around things 360 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:12,690 looking very good this is a very 361 00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:15,090 important news and that is of course why 362 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:18,900 we want to delete with it now the yes 363 00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:21,210 second story is of course if you've been 364 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:22,830 not following the show carefully we've 365 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:24,930 been talking for some time about the 366 00:15:30,110 --> 00:15:27,750 relative silence from the air force 367 00:15:32,020 --> 00:15:30,120 regarding all this Navy seems to be 368 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:32,030 taking the lead no question about it 369 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:35,160 they've got some good information but I 370 00:15:38,570 --> 00:15:36,870 don't think they have the motherlode of 371 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:38,580 information that the Air Force does 372 00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:41,160 finally within the last week a couple 373 00:15:45,050 --> 00:15:43,680 things have come out that do at least 374 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:45,060 get our attention nothing 375 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:48,090 earth-shattering but the war zone was 376 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:52,130 able to FOIA some case some reports that 377 00:15:57,380 --> 00:15:55,170 were obtained from the Air Force Safety 378 00:16:00,700 --> 00:15:57,390 Center regarding not what we would 379 00:16:03,410 --> 00:16:00,710 consider to be classic UFOs as far as 380 00:16:05,270 --> 00:16:03,420 crafts that are literally unidentified 381 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:05,280 as it look in the air what is that 382 00:16:12,110 --> 00:16:08,760 these are fairly mundane cases where the 383 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:12,120 Air Force pilots will spot an aircraft 384 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:13,860 and they don't know whose aircraft it is 385 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:16,770 that type of thing or a spot a drone and 386 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:19,170 not who know whose drone it is those are 387 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:20,760 the types of cases that they were able 388 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:24,090 to FOIA out so and also it's a very 389 00:16:28,170 --> 00:16:26,610 similar to the the type of information 390 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:28,180 that the 391 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:30,310 a war zone and then also the New York 392 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:32,649 Times and their last article I was able 393 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:34,540 to get from the Navy sort of ordinary 394 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:36,940 mundane cases nothing otherworldly 395 00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:39,910 nothing even potentially et related but 396 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:42,220 here's some highlights of from this 397 00:16:45,930 --> 00:16:44,230 particular article in May the war zone 398 00:16:48,630 --> 00:16:45,940 was first to publish details from a 399 00:16:50,570 --> 00:16:48,640 number of hazard reports from the naval 400 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:50,580 Safety Center obtained via FOIA 401 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:52,720 regarding interactions between that 402 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:54,940 services aircraft and unknown aerial 403 00:16:59,370 --> 00:16:57,130 craft that offered an additional look 404 00:17:01,530 --> 00:16:59,380 into what might be happening why and how 405 00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:01,540 these encounters were or weren't getting 406 00:17:06,990 --> 00:17:03,760 reported we can now share information 407 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:07,000 from 25 similar reports obtained through 408 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:08,770 the FOIA from the Air Force Safety 409 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:11,260 Center these Air Force reports as well 410 00:17:16,590 --> 00:17:13,510 as the previously disclosed one that the 411 00:17:18,569 --> 00:17:16,600 Navy has on file could easily be among 412 00:17:20,220 --> 00:17:18,579 the information that the intelligence 413 00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:20,230 community and the Department of Defense 414 00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:23,439 might end up compiling for senators to 415 00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:25,120 review yeah hopefully they've got a 416 00:17:27,929 --> 00:17:26,319 little bit more than that and that's 417 00:17:30,570 --> 00:17:27,939 what comes out in that Senate report 418 00:17:32,250 --> 00:17:30,580 something a little bit more akin to what 419 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:32,260 we've heard regarding the Nimitz case 420 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,210 said the Roosevelt case or not well I 421 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:36,880 see a drone or I see an airplane and 422 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:38,800 we're not sure who it is hopefully it's 423 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:42,280 more than that but again this article is 424 00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:44,470 proof positive that the even the most 425 00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:47,980 mundane types of cases do get reported 426 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:49,780 so if there is anything a little bit 427 00:17:54,090 --> 00:17:52,210 more exciting than that you got a you 428 00:17:56,370 --> 00:17:54,100 got a figure that's getting reported too 429 00:18:00,090 --> 00:17:56,380 and obviously those are the reports that 430 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:00,100 we want to see and also the in this 431 00:18:06,750 --> 00:18:03,490 email chain from Defense Department 432 00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:06,760 folks going back involving Air Force 433 00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:10,559 personnel and civilian employees of the 434 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:15,030 of the Pentagon this email came out 435 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:17,980 regarding how the Air Force handles 436 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:21,730 these types of reports from sue looks 437 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:26,250 from a sue guff or to sue guff and 438 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:28,780 basically the key paragraph here 439 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:30,610 currently the Air Force is not working 440 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:32,590 any specific guidelines for reporting 441 00:18:37,650 --> 00:18:35,980 you IPS a sidenote and off the record we 442 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,660 do have reporting instructions for 443 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:39,760 unauthorized air vehicles military 444 00:18:44,410 --> 00:18:41,120 installation airspace 445 00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:44,420 violation but that is more in the COAS 446 00:18:51,070 --> 00:18:47,030 realm that information is provided via 447 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:51,080 op reps or s IPR so here's that opera 448 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:52,700 name again that is something we've 449 00:18:58,090 --> 00:18:55,010 talked about Paul Dean has made sort of 450 00:19:00,820 --> 00:18:58,100 a cottage industry of ferreting out not 451 00:19:02,890 --> 00:19:00,830 really interesting UFO cases that were 452 00:19:05,290 --> 00:19:02,900 reported through that uh prep channel a 453 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:05,300 basically operational report that pretty 454 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:07,540 simple there and it's sort of a 455 00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,910 catch-all a device for someone to report 456 00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:12,559 something that doesn't really fit into 457 00:19:17,860 --> 00:19:15,679 any other type of category it can range 458 00:19:20,650 --> 00:19:17,870 from something like a UFO encounter to a 459 00:19:22,540 --> 00:19:20,660 an instance of sexual harassment really 460 00:19:24,669 --> 00:19:22,550 literally anything and everything that 461 00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:24,679 doesn't fit into a sort of a normal 462 00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:27,590 channel goes into an opera report 463 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:30,020 apparently that is what the Air Force is 464 00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:31,610 still using and they don't have any kind 465 00:19:37,419 --> 00:19:35,840 of formal specific UFO you and they all 466 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,429 seem to be using you IP but I'm gonna 467 00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:40,400 stick the UFO Eddie a specific UFO 468 00:19:48,460 --> 00:19:44,900 Channel so now we move some from the 469 00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,470 very exciting interesting important end 470 00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:50,480 of the pool to the dirty end of the pool 471 00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:52,550 where we start talking about fake 472 00:19:55,930 --> 00:19:54,020 documents that have been not floating 473 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:55,940 around again and have been getting 474 00:20:01,660 --> 00:19:58,010 probably an undue level of attention 475 00:20:03,850 --> 00:20:01,670 this most recent dacha has been floating 476 00:20:06,010 --> 00:20:03,860 around out there for some time but 477 00:20:09,010 --> 00:20:06,020 apparently through some has been 478 00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,020 discussed by among others how put off 479 00:20:15,220 --> 00:20:10,880 who is on record is vouching for it's 480 00:20:17,890 --> 00:20:15,230 legitimate legitimacy as as well as Eric 481 00:20:19,630 --> 00:20:17,900 Davis bol saying this document is legit 482 00:20:21,370 --> 00:20:19,640 well it was I finally figured out which 483 00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:21,380 particular document has been talking 484 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:24,070 about for some time it is this one and 485 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:27,200 just I was able to give it a quick read 486 00:20:31,419 --> 00:20:29,570 through read through when it when it 487 00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,429 came out and their release became 488 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:34,400 available to me and immediately with 489 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:36,410 jumped out to me was the last pair at 490 00:20:41,380 --> 00:20:39,320 last sentence on this particular graphic 491 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:41,390 I've got here we also believe the 492 00:20:45,790 --> 00:20:43,610 Soviets have calculated the u.s. ECM 493 00:20:48,370 --> 00:20:45,800 capabilities on a level similar to 494 00:20:50,530 --> 00:20:48,380 theirs and are at parity of course of 495 00:20:52,419 --> 00:20:50,540 the word parity should be the one there 496 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:52,429 is rather than parity now this is 497 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:53,690 something that I've noticed because I've 498 00:20:56,140 --> 00:20:54,890 read a lot of these documents 499 00:20:58,780 --> 00:20:56,150 looked at a lot of them over the years 500 00:21:02,140 --> 00:20:58,790 and you will often find these little 501 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:02,150 jokes these a little almost like insider 502 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:05,240 wink and nods to other people in the the 503 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:08,090 Intel community as if to say yeah this 504 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:09,800 is kind of this is a parody this is a 505 00:21:13,630 --> 00:21:12,200 joke we're kidding around here this is 506 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:13,640 not a legitimate document 507 00:21:17,620 --> 00:21:15,860 well it's certainly possible that a lot 508 00:21:21,010 --> 00:21:17,630 of the misspells and the misuse of that 509 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:21,020 particular word might well you know just 510 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:23,660 happen and they do happen I know that 511 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:25,610 for a fact that wouldn't really stood 512 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:28,490 out to me as a red flag when I first 513 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:32,330 read through it no I mean I can tell you 514 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:34,670 at a very high level a misspellings do 515 00:21:40,270 --> 00:21:36,950 happen over at my website I've got an 516 00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:40,280 article on a meeting that took place in 517 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:43,160 the White House regarding the UFO 518 00:21:53,770 --> 00:21:47,240 incident over Washington DC in 1952 now 519 00:21:55,870 --> 00:21:53,780 in the in the Truman library's account 520 00:21:59,050 --> 00:21:55,880 of the president's calendar for that 521 00:22:01,390 --> 00:21:59,060 particular entry regarding that 522 00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:01,400 particular meaning of the word aid is 523 00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:04,190 misspelled a couple times normally an 524 00:22:08,530 --> 00:22:06,620 aid used as a noun as a person who was 525 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:08,540 an aide or assistant to someone it is 526 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:12,110 spelled a IDE and in this particular 527 00:22:17,860 --> 00:22:14,690 entry it is spelled AI D which is more 528 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:17,870 the verb you know to aid someone so it's 529 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:20,810 a the the wrong word is really is being 530 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:23,030 used there and that you know hey that's 531 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:26,180 an entry in the president's actual 532 00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:28,370 calendar and it's a misspell so those 533 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:30,620 kind of things do happen but there are 534 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:33,110 an awful lot of them in there and there 535 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:35,330 and again that use of looked misuse of 536 00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:37,970 the word parody that that is awfully 537 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:39,920 problematic but a couple of researchers 538 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:42,170 have taken a really deep look at this 539 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:45,710 they're obviously very well qualified to 540 00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:48,470 do that Paul Dean looked at there 541 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:51,560 basically the history cited of different 542 00:22:56,410 --> 00:22:53,990 organizations that are mentioned in this 543 00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:56,420 particular document and then that Keith 544 00:23:00,760 --> 00:22:58,940 pastor field last night that put out his 545 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:00,770 article where he looked more at the 546 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:03,170 provenance of this document they both 547 00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:05,110 again raised that many 548 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:06,760 more red flags there's literally a sea 549 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:09,250 of red flags regarding this particular 550 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:11,410 document Paula 551 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:13,890 took the extra step of actually offering 552 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:16,809 $1,000 to Peru for anyone to prove that 553 00:23:22,020 --> 00:23:20,230 this is a genuine document and Paul 554 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:22,030 definitely wrote this I can hear his 555 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:24,850 voice as I read it so I had the mention 556 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:26,350 of certain government agencies which 557 00:23:31,650 --> 00:23:29,230 didn't even exist in 1961 is far worse 558 00:23:34,110 --> 00:23:31,660 obviously earlier in the article he had 559 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:34,120 that talked about some of the misuse of 560 00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:36,490 certain words and misspellings but this 561 00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:38,200 is the meat of it there are a lot of 562 00:23:43,409 --> 00:23:40,419 mistakes in this particular document 563 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:43,419 related to organizations and what they 564 00:23:46,919 --> 00:23:45,490 were called and when they existed and so 565 00:23:50,850 --> 00:23:46,929 on and he goes through it in great 566 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,860 detail which didn't exist in 1961 is far 567 00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,200 worse the joint research and development 568 00:23:58,169 --> 00:23:55,840 board went out of existence in 1948 49 569 00:23:59,730 --> 00:23:58,179 was replaced by the research and 570 00:24:02,970 --> 00:23:59,740 development board which was then 571 00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:02,980 abolished in 1953 we see the joint 572 00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:05,230 nuclear energy intelligence committee 573 00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:07,480 named yet it was replaced by the Joint 574 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:10,059 atomic energy intelligence committee in 575 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:12,760 1948 in fact that both are named but 576 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:16,809 only the jaeyi I see existed in 1961 was 577 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:18,910 the when the document was allegedly 578 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:20,590 authored hoaxer should have made up 579 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:22,630 their minds and settle on not only one 580 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:26,410 our set alone only the ji jaeyi I see 581 00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:29,230 the listing of the CIA's deputy director 582 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:31,390 of operations is impossible didn't exist 583 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:38,049 until 73 let's say the CIA's foreign 584 00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:40,330 broadcast information service didn't 585 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:43,240 exist in 1961 either it was the foreign 586 00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:45,340 broadcast information division back then 587 00:24:53,730 --> 00:24:49,320 and it was only in 1965 that the FBI D 588 00:24:57,620 --> 00:24:53,740 transition to the FBI s oops Los Angeles 589 00:25:00,010 --> 00:24:57,630 National Laboratory was renamed and 590 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:00,020 and there's a mistake regarding that 591 00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:04,890 some lol a SL staffers ostensibly used 592 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,470 the term National Laboratory on select 593 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:09,840 formal documents a one researcher who 594 00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,460 would prefer not to be named as seen 595 00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:13,440 such records still the use of an 596 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:15,420 incorrect of otherwise internally 597 00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:17,730 grasped term in such an important 598 00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,830 document seems unlikely whatever the 599 00:25:24,260 --> 00:25:22,080 situation the impossible organizational 600 00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:24,270 red flags up highlighted are more than 601 00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:26,520 enough to warrant extreme suspicion if 602 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:29,340 not outright scorn finally the document 603 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:32,370 mentions the hoax mj-12 group and we all 604 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,290 know where that leads no more discussion 605 00:25:39,170 --> 00:25:36,120 on that affair is worth anyone's time 606 00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:39,180 especially mine so Paula goes through 607 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,980 the details on the organizational 608 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:42,960 structures and finds obviously a 609 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:45,720 significant number of problems well 610 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:47,610 Keith on the other hand took a different 611 00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:49,770 tact and he's focused a little bit more 612 00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:52,230 on the original provenance of the doc 613 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,230 how it how it came out so where did the 614 00:26:00,320 --> 00:25:57,360 document first surface it seems that it 615 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:00,330 came to light here and he's got the the 616 00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:01,530 quote that I've got he's actually got 617 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:03,240 the link over and his article over at 618 00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:05,250 his website so you can click on that on 619 00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:07,560 that website the introduction states to 620 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:09,540 our knowledge this is not only on any 621 00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:12,150 webpage except this one originally 622 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:14,040 leaked to Tim Cooper and sent by Bob 623 00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:17,130 wood thanks to both this site that UFO 624 00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:19,860 conspiracy calm provides links to the 625 00:26:25,790 --> 00:26:22,380 four-page document it also states in two 626 00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:25,800 thousand Washington DC OSI sources 627 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,200 according to Rick Doty verified this 628 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:31,260 document as real but is a retype of the 629 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:34,710 original than an August 2000 email from 630 00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:36,750 Doty to wood referring to a number of 631 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:39,720 documents in part it states document 632 00:26:45,530 --> 00:26:42,330 five restricted data Atomic Energy Act 633 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,540 of 1954 this document is authentic based 634 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:47,820 on a source document contained in a 635 00:26:53,150 --> 00:26:49,770 government file this document was 636 00:26:57,170 --> 00:26:53,160 retyped from its original and you know 637 00:26:59,300 --> 00:26:57,180 you're also starting to see connected to 638 00:27:01,460 --> 00:26:59,310 this particular document some really 639 00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,470 unfortunate names obviously had DoDEA 640 00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:03,600 not a good one at all and of course Bob 641 00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:07,380 wood with his son Ryan run the majestic 642 00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,260 12 documents website and I'm not going 643 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,480 to question that their integrity on that 644 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:14,640 but basically they believe pretty much 645 00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:17,310 all these fake documents are legitimate 646 00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:20,310 and again that that went through those 647 00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:22,470 kinds of hands and I think don't think 648 00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:25,350 it's impossible that the Wilson notes 649 00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:27,270 documents I went through those hands as 650 00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:29,430 well if they did that's not good news 651 00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:33,630 for the Wilson notes now again the dodi 652 00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:36,060 are assuming not Dodi but put off and 653 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:39,480 Davis also bowing for these documents as 654 00:27:44,780 --> 00:27:42,270 being legit and of course they are 655 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:44,790 heavily involved in that the Wilson 656 00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,610 notes as well again that's this should 657 00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:50,400 this should be a real red flag for a lot 658 00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,400 of folks out there and of course very 659 00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:55,380 little mention from the product folks 660 00:28:00,800 --> 00:27:58,020 that Rick Doty was in fact employed by a 661 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:00,810 help put off for a number of years put 662 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:03,690 off has confirmed this vouches for Dodi 663 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:05,850 as being a nice guy when that questioned 664 00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:07,140 about it doesn't go into much more 665 00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:08,820 detail than that and of course that 666 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:11,430 nexus in connection with all these fake 667 00:28:18,290 --> 00:28:15,840 documents that is a real problem but be 668 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:18,300 that as it may were not done yet with 669 00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:23,010 the fake documents and finally we're 670 00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,320 going to go back to a topic we spent an 671 00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:27,900 awful lot of time on here the Wilson 672 00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:31,920 notes and before we get into the 673 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:34,380 resurrection of this case I going to 674 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:36,330 talk about a point that that Christian 675 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,850 Lambright brought up now in the notes 676 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:40,620 and you can see I've got these kind of 677 00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:43,710 these different image files kind of 678 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:45,870 cobbled together here in the lower right 679 00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:47,850 you see the excerpt from the Wilson 680 00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:50,310 notes that Christian Lambright is 681 00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:53,580 talking about we're basically at Castel 682 00:29:00,020 --> 00:28:57,080 Nick's background is sort of laid out by 683 00:29:03,020 --> 00:29:00,030 you knows a part of the story by Wilson 684 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:03,030 that to Eric Davis who is who is this 685 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:05,970 guy Michael Chris telic well basically 686 00:29:09,770 --> 00:29:08,730 what Christian did was he paired up what 687 00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:09,780 was in the notes to 688 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,929 Castel Nick's actual resume so there are 689 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:14,640 some discrepancies and they are 690 00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:17,310 significant something odd in the Davis 691 00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:18,200 Wilson 692 00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,270 convinced a Christian posted on page 693 00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:22,640 seven is a discussion that mentions Paul 694 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:25,040 Kaminsky and Myka stomach Castel ik is 695 00:29:28,990 --> 00:29:27,290 described as a brigadier general and as 696 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:29,000 being in Kaminsky's office at who is 697 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:31,970 that Castel ik is also said to be the 698 00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,890 sap co-director and a member and 699 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:36,320 executive secretary of the s AP 700 00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:39,310 Oversight Committee s AP of course is a 701 00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,980 special access project among a few other 702 00:29:49,690 --> 00:29:45,200 things but according to Castel Nix Air 703 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:49,700 Force biography he held above you held 704 00:29:55,090 --> 00:29:51,650 the above positions from June of 94 705 00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:55,100 through September of 95 then moved to 706 00:30:00,580 --> 00:29:58,910 air material command in 1997 when Wilson 707 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,590 is said to have been talking to these 708 00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:03,200 men in Kaminsky's office Castel Nick was 709 00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,500 a vice commander at headquarters air 710 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:09,200 material command at wright-patterson Air 711 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:11,690 Force Base in Ohio furthermore he was 712 00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:14,150 not a brigadier general in 97 having 713 00:30:21,310 --> 00:30:15,860 already been promoted to Major General 714 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:21,320 in late 96 so those are excellent points 715 00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:24,410 obviously backed up by facts could they 716 00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:26,980 have been Wilson 717 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:29,420 making some mistakes in terms of a 718 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:33,370 Castel Nix actual rank could it be that 719 00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:37,360 that Castel mnek was just visiting 720 00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:39,350 Washington and was in the office it's 721 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:41,960 not entirely clear I mean those kinds of 722 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:44,450 things are possible but there are errors 723 00:30:48,670 --> 00:30:46,130 there there are discrepancies between 724 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:48,680 what the notes state in terms of Castel 725 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,050 Dix resume and in terms of the actual 726 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,320 facts very important points and ones 727 00:30:58,660 --> 00:30:56,960 well worth making not proof but 728 00:31:01,300 --> 00:30:58,670 certainly evidence that there are 729 00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,310 continuing problems being ferreted out 730 00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:04,880 regarding these notes now one individual 731 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:06,380 who doesn't have any problems with the 732 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:09,710 notes whatsoever is a UFO Joe Joe mirja 733 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:12,380 he is on record as saying the notes are 734 00:31:16,390 --> 00:31:14,510 real he's convinced of it he's got 735 00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:16,400 sources that have told him this he has 736 00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:18,740 categorized those sources or they aren't 737 00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:19,520 just anybody 738 00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:22,820 they are former needs people that's a 739 00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:26,000 Bigelow's National Institute for 740 00:31:31,630 --> 00:31:28,940 discovery sciences that was folded up 741 00:31:33,670 --> 00:31:31,640 back in 2004 but that wasn't exist 742 00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:33,680 and back during the time that the notes 743 00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:36,140 were being put together and he says 744 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:38,030 those are his sources he's categorized 745 00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:39,710 them not name them but categorized them 746 00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:42,260 and that they are telling him that these 747 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:44,990 notes are in fact real now Joe has put 748 00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:47,720 together an exhaustive and exhausting to 749 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:51,560 go through but exhaustive four-page 750 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:53,570 report over at his website I do 751 00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:55,550 recommend that whatever your opinion is 752 00:31:59,890 --> 00:31:56,990 on the notes to go over and take a look 753 00:32:01,680 --> 00:31:59,900 at it I would especially recommend part 754 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:01,690 one which I thought was actually quite 755 00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:06,890 excellent that mmm more closely covers 756 00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:09,860 the actual original meeting which no one 757 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:11,180 questions has been confirmed by 758 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:13,250 everybody who took part in it of the 759 00:32:21,790 --> 00:32:18,050 greer mitchell miller and wilson meeting 760 00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:21,800 in the pentagon that back in 97 and that 761 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:24,470 is of course something that a lot of 762 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:25,940 people are intrigued by even if they 763 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:27,530 have problems with the notes I'm not the 764 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:28,730 only one I've talked to some other 765 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:30,050 people are pretty interested in that 766 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:33,530 they don't necessarily think it's as 767 00:32:39,790 --> 00:32:37,250 cut-and-dried as it was a place back in 768 00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,800 the day that that does merit some 769 00:32:45,370 --> 00:32:41,600 additional follow-up but still have 770 00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:45,380 problems with these notes now Joe did 771 00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:47,900 also cover more about some of the 772 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:50,390 research he's done in terms of talking 773 00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:53,750 directly to Commander Miller he did 774 00:32:58,330 --> 00:32:55,310 follow what with commander Miller and an 775 00:33:00,610 --> 00:32:58,340 interview commander Miller did reiterate 776 00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:00,620 that one of the questions that I asked 777 00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:02,990 him regarding his interest in this Koro 778 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:06,380 case which in the notes it expresses 779 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:08,690 that that was one of the things that he 780 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:11,810 asked Wilson to ask this secret 781 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:14,870 committee with this defense contractor 782 00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:18,410 about and he again an on record stating 783 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:20,900 that he doesn't have any particular 784 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:23,210 interest in this case and of course 785 00:33:26,980 --> 00:33:24,650 that's one of the things when these 786 00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:26,990 notes came out that I particularly 787 00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:29,240 jumped on very very quickly because that 788 00:33:35,410 --> 00:33:32,980 socorro case really is not one of the 789 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:35,420 it's a really interesting case but it's 790 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:37,370 not one that I think would necessarily 791 00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:39,650 get a lot of people's attention so when 792 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:41,630 he says that I have no doubt that he's 793 00:33:44,409 --> 00:33:43,790 telling the truth on that and that would 794 00:33:47,259 --> 00:33:44,419 therefore 795 00:33:50,409 --> 00:33:47,269 make those documents in that instance at 796 00:33:52,919 --> 00:33:50,419 the very least the fabrication that that 797 00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:52,929 the serpo material which is 798 00:33:59,529 --> 00:33:55,929 unquestionably a hoax a references this 799 00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:59,539 summit meeting between extraterrestrials 800 00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:02,090 and air force members had to Holloman 801 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:04,220 Air Force Base and they list a very 802 00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:08,210 specific date April 24th 1964 that is 803 00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:11,540 the date of the Socorro case so there 804 00:34:18,309 --> 00:34:13,669 has always been an effort and this these 805 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:18,319 disinformation efforts to tie the little 806 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:24,649 mentions of known UFO cases to this 807 00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:27,260 disinformation ulm aterial there's also 808 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:30,379 been mentions in the past about the ETS 809 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:32,510 we know that they come from Zeta 810 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:34,970 Reticuli which is of course was 811 00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:38,569 identified as via the Betty Hill star 812 00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:40,190 map as the location for these 813 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:42,200 extraterrestrials that was also 814 00:34:46,299 --> 00:34:44,450 mentioned by Bob Lazar he said that he 815 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:46,309 was told that the Air Force knows 816 00:34:51,369 --> 00:34:48,290 they're from the Zeta Reticuli and of 817 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:51,379 course that's that's highly highly 818 00:34:56,770 --> 00:34:53,059 unlikely I would have to go ahead and 819 00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:56,780 say but that Joanne he asked me some 820 00:35:01,480 --> 00:34:58,609 questions and I followed up with him and 821 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:01,490 I gave him what we had regarding us some 822 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:03,410 of the stuff that he asked us about and 823 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:05,569 he did include that mention in them I 824 00:35:10,180 --> 00:35:07,970 don't have any real harsh criticisms 825 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,190 here I just would like to take a moment 826 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:12,740 now to sort of qualify some of the 827 00:35:16,299 --> 00:35:15,710 things that he wrote and let me get to 828 00:35:18,819 --> 00:35:16,309 that right now 829 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:18,829 stalter has also repeatedly pointed out 830 00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:20,750 that in the documents Wilson talks about 831 00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:22,940 rich and Doug from the new a Pheo 832 00:35:28,299 --> 00:35:25,670 chapter now that is of course true and 833 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:28,309 of course I believe that I've identified 834 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:31,730 rich as being a rich Cohen who was the 835 00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:33,650 founder of that a Pheo chapter it does 836 00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:35,900 turn out quite correct that it was a new 837 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:39,140 chapter in October of 2002 that is in 838 00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:41,210 fact quite accurate and that would also 839 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:43,640 indicate that whoever put those Doc's 840 00:35:49,299 --> 00:35:46,609 together knew where the inner workings 841 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:49,309 of that organization as well as a lot of 842 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:52,210 other things so 843 00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,890 the Las Vegas chapter and how they need 844 00:35:57,849 --> 00:35:56,839 speakers to help raise money and 845 00:36:00,519 --> 00:35:57,859 membership of course that's quite 846 00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,529 accurate stalter now this is this is the 847 00:36:04,809 --> 00:36:02,480 sentence I have a some issue with and I 848 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:04,819 think needs clarification stalter 849 00:36:09,279 --> 00:36:07,130 believes if the Wilson Davis document is 850 00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:09,289 real Wilson would have been a speaker 851 00:36:13,749 --> 00:36:11,960 there so he got a John quote from John 852 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,759 Alexander actually chant got that quote 853 00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:16,240 from Alexander but that's ok 854 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:18,140 Wilson though would have been a speaker 855 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:20,089 there I wouldn't say it but I wouldn't 856 00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:23,630 put it that way what I believe is if you 857 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:25,279 know and I went back in I did the 858 00:36:31,059 --> 00:36:27,890 research into the newsletters of a Pheo 859 00:36:32,319 --> 00:36:31,069 where they list the goings-on at 860 00:36:36,309 --> 00:36:32,329 different chapters are around the 861 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:36,319 country and in October 2002 in fact the 862 00:36:41,289 --> 00:36:38,930 a Pheo chapter in Las Vegas had its very 863 00:36:42,849 --> 00:36:41,299 first meetings what I believe is that if 864 00:36:46,089 --> 00:36:42,859 Wilson had been there that would have 865 00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:46,099 been recorded and we would have had some 866 00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:48,950 proof that the Wilson was in Vegas at 867 00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:51,140 least in roughly the timeframe the notes 868 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:53,420 are purported to have been taken and 869 00:37:00,279 --> 00:36:57,650 what has actually happened of course 870 00:37:02,349 --> 00:37:00,289 Billy Cox I was able to follow up a 871 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:02,359 couple weeks back with Wilson himself 872 00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:05,450 and Wilson gave a very broad very 873 00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:08,769 specific denial where he talked about 874 00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:11,569 the the mention of the aides ferrying 875 00:37:15,549 --> 00:37:13,400 him around that he was retired at that 876 00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,559 point that the Navy personnel was not 877 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:17,359 driving him from place to place he was 878 00:37:21,549 --> 00:37:19,430 retired so that didn't happen and he 879 00:37:26,019 --> 00:37:21,559 also said very specifically I have not 880 00:37:30,190 --> 00:37:26,029 been in Las Vegas since 1979 1980 881 00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:30,200 so again if know let's say for example 882 00:37:34,569 --> 00:37:31,880 if he had made a statement like that and 883 00:37:36,309 --> 00:37:34,579 we had it on record in the the a Pheo 884 00:37:38,289 --> 00:37:36,319 newsletter that that he had made at 885 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:38,299 least an appearance at this at this very 886 00:37:43,329 --> 00:37:40,910 first half EO meeting after being told 887 00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,339 all about how rich and dog were having 888 00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:45,680 some trouble or just going through some 889 00:37:49,210 --> 00:37:47,480 issues with getting the whole thing 890 00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:49,220 together that would have put the lie to 891 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:50,660 that and that didn't happen it also 892 00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:53,930 would have proven that that Wilson that 893 00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,460 was in the area and roughly the 894 00:38:01,359 --> 00:37:57,920 timeframe that though has proven that 895 00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:01,369 not to be the case so and then going but 896 00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:03,470 in the documents Wilson was on this is a 897 00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:04,700 Joe sort of rebuttal 898 00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:06,380 that point even though it's not exactly 899 00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:09,500 a carefully represented or accurately 900 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:11,990 represented but in the documents Wilson 901 00:38:16,089 --> 00:38:13,700 was on a tour on it and to say goodbye 902 00:38:18,819 --> 00:38:16,099 we have no idea how long he may have 903 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:18,829 been in Vegas would he have had time to 904 00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:21,050 lecture and I'll take some issue with 905 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:24,020 that a little bit - well it does take 906 00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:25,730 some time to put together lectures and 907 00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:28,220 there's no question that at these a Pheo 908 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:29,750 meetings people do come in and give 909 00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:31,790 presentations and lectures and so on and 910 00:38:35,859 --> 00:38:33,800 so forth but it's also a first meeting 911 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:35,869 and if Wilson's in town for him to stop 912 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:39,290 by and that like at a store opening 913 00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:40,730 where you might bring in a celebrity do 914 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:43,400 it attract attention to your new store 915 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:45,050 it might have been there something a 916 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:47,270 little bit more than that like that if 917 00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:49,250 it had happened which it didn't but if 918 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:50,780 it had you know he doesn't necessarily 919 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:53,210 have to do a lecture if he shows up it 920 00:38:56,020 --> 00:38:54,710 could be you know they've got this some 921 00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:56,030 business to do but he's there for a 922 00:39:00,099 --> 00:38:58,190 little informal meet and greed to shake 923 00:39:03,099 --> 00:39:00,109 a few hands so welcome to the a Pheo 924 00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:03,109 chapter here in Vegas maybe answer a few 925 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:06,440 questions rather informally so he's I 926 00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:09,290 think kind of a miss framing my point 927 00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,020 there and then finally stalter says 928 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:13,760 there's no evidence for Wilson being in 929 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:16,510 Vegas and as of right now he's right I 930 00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:19,730 am right about that and again there 931 00:39:24,309 --> 00:39:21,950 really has not been any evidence brought 932 00:39:27,550 --> 00:39:24,319 forth by the product people to back up 933 00:39:30,099 --> 00:39:27,560 these Doc's not not evidence that that 934 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:30,109 the meeting took place and but of course 935 00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,910 it doesn't change that my opinion that's 936 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:34,160 fine to Joe's entitled whose opinion IVA 937 00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:35,690 he believes what he wants he likes 938 00:39:38,589 --> 00:39:36,470 sources 939 00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:38,599 he's categorized them at least and I 940 00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,089 have no doubt that he's being honest 941 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:43,520 about all that but it doesn't but that 942 00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:44,750 what he's saying about his sources 943 00:39:48,579 --> 00:39:47,270 doesn't change my opinion either so what 944 00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,589 have we seen in the last week 945 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:51,440 we're also seeing a Eric Davis and he'll 946 00:39:57,309 --> 00:39:54,490 put off vouching for the veracity of a 947 00:39:59,890 --> 00:39:57,319 thoroughly thoroughly debunked fake 948 00:40:02,500 --> 00:39:59,900 document and that's not good on them and 949 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:02,510 I don't know specifically who his mid 950 00:40:09,309 --> 00:40:07,030 sources might be but I have to say that 951 00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:09,319 you know we're still waiting for some 952 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:10,670 evidence we're still waiting for some 953 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:12,410 evidence but I do give the pro doc 954 00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:14,510 people credit I mean they got knocked 955 00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:16,310 down pretty thoroughly by the Wilson 956 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:18,200 denial more information come 957 00:40:22,089 --> 00:40:19,760 from Christian Lambright about some 958 00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:22,099 problems with those knocks but they they 959 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:24,020 take a lickin and they keep on tickin so 960 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:25,970 I give him credit for that and we'll see 961 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:29,390 what happens again in the recent past 962 00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,940 that may be a couple months back Ralph 963 00:40:37,450 --> 00:40:34,240 Blumenthal from the New York Times 964 00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:37,460 contacted Michael hall and they had a 965 00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,230 discussion about the docks so there is 966 00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:41,599 some interest on that end Leslie Kean 967 00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:44,030 who is a co-written New York Times 968 00:40:48,099 --> 00:40:46,460 stories with Blumenthal has a track 969 00:40:50,319 --> 00:40:48,109 record of a being interested in this 970 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:50,329 specific case she did write about it in 971 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:51,950 The Boston Globe at least about the 972 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:54,410 original meeting back in the late 2000s 973 00:40:58,420 --> 00:40:56,210 obviously before these notes came out so 974 00:41:00,730 --> 00:40:58,430 she as far as I know hasn't addressed 975 00:41:02,859 --> 00:41:00,740 them in any form but she did write about 976 00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:02,869 that the original Wilson meeting with 977 00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:05,240 Mitchell and Greer and she has in the 978 00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:08,030 past been involved heavily in the 979 00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:10,670 foiling information regarding the 980 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:14,240 Kecksburg UFO case not sure what landed 981 00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:17,030 in Kecksburg but i am quite convinced 982 00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,950 that it was a genuine crash retrieval 983 00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:20,960 case and those are of course interested 984 00:41:25,089 --> 00:41:23,750 what I'm looking at now and there seems 985 00:41:27,309 --> 00:41:25,099 to be a lot of talking where that 986 00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,319 weather is smoke there is some fire we 987 00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:29,359 might be seeing a good bit more about 988 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:31,460 crash retrievals coming up in the near 989 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:34,310 future and I've been looking closer at 990 00:41:39,579 --> 00:41:37,010 the some that we know about and some 991 00:41:42,849 --> 00:41:39,589 other some that we know about regarding 992 00:41:45,220 --> 00:41:42,859 either UFO stuff which doesn't really 993 00:41:47,290 --> 00:41:45,230 have a they're not proved let's put it 994 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:47,300 that way that what was a retrieved was 995 00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,430 in some way shape or form 996 00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:50,480 extraterrestrial but there are certainly 997 00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:52,940 some others again I talked about it last 998 00:42:01,000 --> 00:41:55,310 time the sub project Azorian the Glomar 999 00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,010 Explorer case where again a Soviet sub 1000 00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,920 sank in the Pacific and we built a ship 1001 00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:05,599 and basically went out there and picked 1002 00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:07,790 it up off the ocean floor a very 1003 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:10,040 fascinating case the United States 1004 00:42:15,849 --> 00:42:13,010 military and government will go to great 1005 00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:15,859 lengths to recover foreign technology so 1006 00:42:21,309 --> 00:42:18,560 do some of that involve extraterrestrial 1007 00:42:22,809 --> 00:42:21,319 technology well we will see I don't know 1008 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:22,819 about that but that's about all I have 1009 00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:24,170 time for running a little bit late 1010 00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,140 tonight and I'm gonna let you go thanks 1011 00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:29,359 for listening in and we'll be back I 1012 00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:30,710 don't know if we're going to do anything 1013 00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:31,400 over the 1014 00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,710 fourth of July weekend but the second 1015 00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:35,839 season of unidentified is going to be 1016 00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:37,700 premiering on the 11th so at the very 1017 00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:39,589 least we'll have something the following 1018 00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:41,960 day where we'll kind of give a quick and 1019 00:42:45,279 --> 00:42:43,849 dirty review of all that so thanks for 1020 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:45,289 tuning in everybody that's about all